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		<title>By: Laura Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.swissarmylibrarian.net/2011/07/14/romance-novels-bad-for-your-health/#comment-3110</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But did the study account for other factors? Does reading romance novels make people not care about safe sex, or are people who aren&#039;t prone to safe sex attracted to romance novels? I wouldn&#039;t be willing to bet that it&#039;s universal (or to bet against it), but my anecdotal observation is that very conservative, traditional women are very big on romance novels. Very conservative, traditional women are also often the product of or proponents of abstinence-only sex education. And we already have a proven causal relationship between THAT and a disregard for practicing safe sex. The plots of romance novels are also often hugely about traditional roles and monogamy. Get into the real world, and the people all about that aren&#039;t the best safe sex practitioners.

I&#039;m not willing to say it IS that, but the people with the &quot;journal article&quot; (which was &quot;internally peer-reviewed&quot; and had 0 math or research design) sure didn&#039;t make any case for a causal relationship, either. 

As to people&#039;s ability to distinguish fantasy from reality and my speculation above, I&#039;d hypothesize that amateur BDSM erotica contains at least as low of rates of mentioning safe sex, and more mention of sex with strangers; but that the readers who frequent that and admit to it have a HIGHER rate of actually practicing safe sex than romance novel readers.

I also don&#039;t have access to the articles (being only a librarian-appreciator and not a librarian) that are cited by the Journal of Family Planning and Reproductive Sex article, which I assume contain the &quot;recent survey&quot; that gives them their information. Maybe it&#039;s more solid than it seems from this secondary article that reads more like a private blog post (the author writes in the first person perspective and talks about personal experiences IN A JOURNAL ARTICLE for god&#039;s sake) than a piece of science.

I don&#039;t care one way or another about the romance genre, but I do care about fluffy pieces of what-ifs and speculation being badly reported on as legitimate social science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But did the study account for other factors? Does reading romance novels make people not care about safe sex, or are people who aren&#8217;t prone to safe sex attracted to romance novels? I wouldn&#8217;t be willing to bet that it&#8217;s universal (or to bet against it), but my anecdotal observation is that very conservative, traditional women are very big on romance novels. Very conservative, traditional women are also often the product of or proponents of abstinence-only sex education. And we already have a proven causal relationship between THAT and a disregard for practicing safe sex. The plots of romance novels are also often hugely about traditional roles and monogamy. Get into the real world, and the people all about that aren&#8217;t the best safe sex practitioners.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not willing to say it IS that, but the people with the &#8220;journal article&#8221; (which was &#8220;internally peer-reviewed&#8221; and had 0 math or research design) sure didn&#8217;t make any case for a causal relationship, either. </p>
<p>As to people&#8217;s ability to distinguish fantasy from reality and my speculation above, I&#8217;d hypothesize that amateur BDSM erotica contains at least as low of rates of mentioning safe sex, and more mention of sex with strangers; but that the readers who frequent that and admit to it have a HIGHER rate of actually practicing safe sex than romance novel readers.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t have access to the articles (being only a librarian-appreciator and not a librarian) that are cited by the Journal of Family Planning and Reproductive Sex article, which I assume contain the &#8220;recent survey&#8221; that gives them their information. Maybe it&#8217;s more solid than it seems from this secondary article that reads more like a private blog post (the author writes in the first person perspective and talks about personal experiences IN A JOURNAL ARTICLE for god&#8217;s sake) than a piece of science.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care one way or another about the romance genre, but I do care about fluffy pieces of what-ifs and speculation being badly reported on as legitimate social science.</p>
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		<title>By: Gem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Up till around 6 years ago, the only romance I had read was either classics, such as _Pride and Prejudice_, or Christian fiction during my teenage years.  However, when I applied to my first reference position, I decided I needed to read some readers&#039; advisory books in case in the interview I was asked any questions about providing readers&#039; advisory assistance for specific genres.  I was pretty comfortable with fantasy, science fiction, and classics.  I also had read a smattering of mysteries but was clueless about romance.  To help remedy that void I read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Romance-Readers-Advisory-Librarians-Stacks/dp/0838907792/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Romance Reader&#039;s Advisory: The Librarian&#039;s Guide to Love in the Stacks&quot;&lt;/a&gt; by Ann Bouricius.  

Reading Bouricius&#039; book did give me a lot more insight in the romance genre and laid to rest some of the stereotypes that I had previously had about the genre.  However, I didn&#039;t start reading romance immediately.  One day, after I had been hired, I was walking down the stacks in our library and decided it was time for me to try out a romance book.  I gave it a shot and to my surprise, really enjoyed it.  Now I&#039;m hooked.  Obviously it&#039;s not for everyone but I find it very relaxing to read a romance novel at night after battling with stubborn SQL queries all day.  I particularly enjoy the ones with a lot of witty banter.

I do admit that the romance covers can be scary.  However, I grit my teeth and read them in public anyway since I feel it&#039;s cowardly to let public perception sway my reading choices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up till around 6 years ago, the only romance I had read was either classics, such as _Pride and Prejudice_, or Christian fiction during my teenage years.  However, when I applied to my first reference position, I decided I needed to read some readers&#8217; advisory books in case in the interview I was asked any questions about providing readers&#8217; advisory assistance for specific genres.  I was pretty comfortable with fantasy, science fiction, and classics.  I also had read a smattering of mysteries but was clueless about romance.  To help remedy that void I read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Romance-Readers-Advisory-Librarians-Stacks/dp/0838907792/" rel="nofollow">Romance Reader&#8217;s Advisory: The Librarian&#8217;s Guide to Love in the Stacks&#8221;</a> by Ann Bouricius.  </p>
<p>Reading Bouricius&#8217; book did give me a lot more insight in the romance genre and laid to rest some of the stereotypes that I had previously had about the genre.  However, I didn&#8217;t start reading romance immediately.  One day, after I had been hired, I was walking down the stacks in our library and decided it was time for me to try out a romance book.  I gave it a shot and to my surprise, really enjoyed it.  Now I&#8217;m hooked.  Obviously it&#8217;s not for everyone but I find it very relaxing to read a romance novel at night after battling with stubborn SQL queries all day.  I particularly enjoy the ones with a lot of witty banter.</p>
<p>I do admit that the romance covers can be scary.  However, I grit my teeth and read them in public anyway since I feel it&#8217;s cowardly to let public perception sway my reading choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Herzog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Herzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@everybody: I&#039;m happy to hear such strong defense of romance.  I don&#039;t read the genre, but I should have guessed its readers feel they&#039;re always under attack for it - I&#039;m sorry if this post sounded like more of the same.  I didn&#039;t delve into the study deep enough to see the publication dates - although, not being up on the genre, those wouldn&#039;t have meant much to me anyway.  I was very interested to read that modern romance novels have changed so much from what non-romance-readers probably expect from the stereotype - thanks for the informative comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@everybody: I&#8217;m happy to hear such strong defense of romance.  I don&#8217;t read the genre, but I should have guessed its readers feel they&#8217;re always under attack for it &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry if this post sounded like more of the same.  I didn&#8217;t delve into the study deep enough to see the publication dates &#8211; although, not being up on the genre, those wouldn&#8217;t have meant much to me anyway.  I was very interested to read that modern romance novels have changed so much from what non-romance-readers probably expect from the stereotype &#8211; thanks for the informative comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the name of love and crunchy peanut butter, this post shocked me.   I’d hoped it was sarcasm.  If it is, I apologize in advance.  

Since when do librarians judge the reading tastes of other people?  I am so gobsmacked I have no words to describe my feelings.  This kind of judgment from a librarian is just, just…wow…

The romances read were from the 1980s during the heyday of the Bodice Ripper.  Today’s romance features plenty of gloving up.  From my reading, most of the characters who don’t sheath the mighty wang find themselves with a baby on the way by the end of the book.

Before you diss the genre completely, take the reading challenge.  I’m sure Sarah at www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com can give you the list that is usually recommended to those who need education about the genre.

I double-dog-dare you to post your experience or reviews on your blog.  

Just in case you missed it above, here’s the URL that debunks the entire study: 

http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/index.php/weblog/comments/romances-according-to-susan-quilliam-dont-have-enough-condoms/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the name of love and crunchy peanut butter, this post shocked me.   I’d hoped it was sarcasm.  If it is, I apologize in advance.  </p>
<p>Since when do librarians judge the reading tastes of other people?  I am so gobsmacked I have no words to describe my feelings.  This kind of judgment from a librarian is just, just…wow…</p>
<p>The romances read were from the 1980s during the heyday of the Bodice Ripper.  Today’s romance features plenty of gloving up.  From my reading, most of the characters who don’t sheath the mighty wang find themselves with a baby on the way by the end of the book.</p>
<p>Before you diss the genre completely, take the reading challenge.  I’m sure Sarah at <a href="http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com</a> can give you the list that is usually recommended to those who need education about the genre.</p>
<p>I double-dog-dare you to post your experience or reviews on your blog.  </p>
<p>Just in case you missed it above, here’s the URL that debunks the entire study: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/index.php/weblog/comments/romances-according-to-susan-quilliam-dont-have-enough-condoms/" rel="nofollow">http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/index.php/weblog/comments/romances-according-to-susan-quilliam-dont-have-enough-condoms/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rosanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect that if something like that was limited to two books a month, people would simply go elsewhere for their reading needs. And then the library is the one that loses out in the end...

As for me, I love reading romance novels. They are like candy, only with no calories. Light, fluffy, and an easy read. They also pretty much always are going to have a happy ending and, for me anyways, I HATE books that don&#039;t have happy endings. I never feel more cheated when I get through a giant book and it has an ending that sucks. All I want to do is throw the book through the nearest window and get back the time I just wasted. Books (well fiction, anyways) for me are to escape the real world of bills, student loans, and horrible crappy things on the news. It better have a happy ending! However, I definitely know that they are not a shining example of reality. But that can be said for a lot of mass produced media these days... seen a movie lately?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that if something like that was limited to two books a month, people would simply go elsewhere for their reading needs. And then the library is the one that loses out in the end&#8230;</p>
<p>As for me, I love reading romance novels. They are like candy, only with no calories. Light, fluffy, and an easy read. They also pretty much always are going to have a happy ending and, for me anyways, I HATE books that don&#8217;t have happy endings. I never feel more cheated when I get through a giant book and it has an ending that sucks. All I want to do is throw the book through the nearest window and get back the time I just wasted. Books (well fiction, anyways) for me are to escape the real world of bills, student loans, and horrible crappy things on the news. It better have a happy ending! However, I definitely know that they are not a shining example of reality. But that can be said for a lot of mass produced media these days&#8230; seen a movie lately?</p>
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		<title>By: Jessi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would also suggest this article from the ladies at Smart Bitches Trashy Books: http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/index.php/weblog/comments/romances-according-to-susan-quilliam-dont-have-enough-condoms/. It is most definitly not our job to protect our poor innocent patrons from the harm our books contain. Frankly, I&#039;m a bit tired of all the ridiculous attacks against romance novels. If I really thought that reading causes the generally sane masses to turn copy cat, I would be much more concerned about an uptick in serial murders than about a bunch of women running rampent with their sexuality and demanding successful and meaningful relationships from their significant other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also suggest this article from the ladies at Smart Bitches Trashy Books: <a href="http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/index.php/weblog/comments/romances-according-to-susan-quilliam-dont-have-enough-condoms/" rel="nofollow">http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/index.php/weblog/comments/romances-according-to-susan-quilliam-dont-have-enough-condoms/</a>. It is most definitly not our job to protect our poor innocent patrons from the harm our books contain. Frankly, I&#8217;m a bit tired of all the ridiculous attacks against romance novels. If I really thought that reading causes the generally sane masses to turn copy cat, I would be much more concerned about an uptick in serial murders than about a bunch of women running rampent with their sexuality and demanding successful and meaningful relationships from their significant other.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesli M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesli M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like the reference librarian I once was, I hunted down the article: J Fam Plann Reprod Health Care 2011;37:179-181 doi:10.1136/jfprhc-2011-100152. THEN, I hunted down the survey that this article uses for support: Psychol Women Q 2000;24: 179–188 doi: 10.1111/j.1471-6402.2000.tb00199.x

The survey from Psychol Women Q says &quot;...Publication year ranged  from  1981 to 1996, with 54 (69.2%) of the novels published after 1990, when awareness of HIV and other STD among heterosexuals was relatively high.&quot;

If the article was published in 2000, I&#039;m assuming the study was done sometime between 1996 and 1998.

I think for an more accurate look at &quot;modern&quot; romance novels, a new study needs to be done. The 2000 study had &quot;...two  female coders [record] the title, author, publisher, publication year, page number of the first instance of sexual intercourse, whether the characters discussed using a condom, whether the characters used a condom, the sex of the character who initiated the discussion or use, and the reason for condom use if given (e.g., birth control, disease prevention).&quot;

A new study should also look at notes from authors. I&#039;m seeing that more and more. Some authors will specifically state that condoms aren&#039;t mentioned in their work; but readers in real life should practice safe sex.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the reference librarian I once was, I hunted down the article: J Fam Plann Reprod Health Care 2011;37:179-181 doi:10.1136/jfprhc-2011-100152. THEN, I hunted down the survey that this article uses for support: Psychol Women Q 2000;24: 179–188 doi: 10.1111/j.1471-6402.2000.tb00199.x</p>
<p>The survey from Psychol Women Q says &#8220;&#8230;Publication year ranged  from  1981 to 1996, with 54 (69.2%) of the novels published after 1990, when awareness of HIV and other STD among heterosexuals was relatively high.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the article was published in 2000, I&#8217;m assuming the study was done sometime between 1996 and 1998.</p>
<p>I think for an more accurate look at &#8220;modern&#8221; romance novels, a new study needs to be done. The 2000 study had &#8220;&#8230;two  female coders [record] the title, author, publisher, publication year, page number of the first instance of sexual intercourse, whether the characters discussed using a condom, whether the characters used a condom, the sex of the character who initiated the discussion or use, and the reason for condom use if given (e.g., birth control, disease prevention).&#8221;</p>
<p>A new study should also look at notes from authors. I&#8217;m seeing that more and more. Some authors will specifically state that condoms aren&#8217;t mentioned in their work; but readers in real life should practice safe sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Cari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is just the same as the whole &quot;teen books are too dark&quot; debate. What&#039;s out there to read is going to grow and change, and every person will be affected by it in his or her own way. When I did my paper on reader&#039;s advisory in library school, I read that things like romance novels and series are good for people because they provide a reading experience that can be easily duplicated in the future. One good experience leads to another, and the person becomes a reader for life. Honestly, I don&#039;t care what people are reading - I&#039;m just happy they&#039;re reading. Of course, I know you know that, Brian!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is just the same as the whole &#8220;teen books are too dark&#8221; debate. What&#8217;s out there to read is going to grow and change, and every person will be affected by it in his or her own way. When I did my paper on reader&#8217;s advisory in library school, I read that things like romance novels and series are good for people because they provide a reading experience that can be easily duplicated in the future. One good experience leads to another, and the person becomes a reader for life. Honestly, I don&#8217;t care what people are reading &#8211; I&#8217;m just happy they&#8217;re reading. Of course, I know you know that, Brian!</p>
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		<title>By: Saby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you should read this rebuttal:  

http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2011/07/07/137675779/romance-fiction-and-womens-health-a-dose-of-skepticism?sc=tw&amp;cc=share

These studies are really not scientifically legit, and assuming that romance readers are unable to distinguish fantasy from reality is infantilizing and insulting. It&#039;s not an assumption we make about readers of, say, spy thrillers.  

Have you ever read a romance novel? The ones about the alpha male dominating the innocent virgin are almost all gone, relics of the 1970s and 80s.    Heroines in romance novels today have real lives and hard decisions.  They fight custody battles with their ex-husbands, struggle to pay their mortgages, battle breast cancer, and yes, fall in love.  AND they use condoms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should read this rebuttal:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2011/07/07/137675779/romance-fiction-and-womens-health-a-dose-of-skepticism?sc=tw&#038;cc=share" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2011/07/07/137675779/romance-fiction-and-womens-health-a-dose-of-skepticism?sc=tw&#038;cc=share</a></p>
<p>These studies are really not scientifically legit, and assuming that romance readers are unable to distinguish fantasy from reality is infantilizing and insulting. It&#8217;s not an assumption we make about readers of, say, spy thrillers.  </p>
<p>Have you ever read a romance novel? The ones about the alpha male dominating the innocent virgin are almost all gone, relics of the 1970s and 80s.    Heroines in romance novels today have real lives and hard decisions.  They fight custody battles with their ex-husbands, struggle to pay their mortgages, battle breast cancer, and yes, fall in love.  AND they use condoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesli M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesli M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, so, when are the studies on scifi and fantasy coming out...&#039;cause, you know, I need scientific types to tell me that dragons aren&#039;t real and distance galaxies with sentient beings are make-believe.
For that matter, what about all those movies that have sex scenes?  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen a movie where the characters practice safe sex.
What is it that makes people so hateful of HEA stories? Or, like &quot;Alison&quot; above &quot;really embarrassed&quot; to even have a romance novel in her hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so, when are the studies on scifi and fantasy coming out&#8230;&#8217;cause, you know, I need scientific types to tell me that dragons aren&#8217;t real and distance galaxies with sentient beings are make-believe.<br />
For that matter, what about all those movies that have sex scenes?  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen a movie where the characters practice safe sex.<br />
What is it that makes people so hateful of HEA stories? Or, like &#8220;Alison&#8221; above &#8220;really embarrassed&#8221; to even have a romance novel in her hand.</p>
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